Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China.

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Nothing new. My old company had burner netbooks and phones we destroyed the minute they landed and any documents had to be loaded before they left and checked for if there was any secret or confidential information involved. Where not even allowed to connect to the network once they got back, we took the machine and assumed whatever they bugged it with going through security was going to be far beyond our ability to remove.

Horribly wasteful but unfortunately if you have to do business with a regiem like that it was the only way to be safe.

Did the same thing for Russia too.

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If I didn't know better I'd think that doing business with them had some drawbacks to it.

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The conservationist in me hates the notion of destroying them. Wiping and donating them seems like the better option. Even get a little tax deduction.

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Knew a company that did the same going from Europe to America. All a matter of perspective and trust.

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Just the cost of doing business there

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I've heard of companies that their policy if a device is out their possession (ie TSA takes it to another room to check it) to not even take the device back.

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Yes I worked at one of those.

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When I taught at Defcon China ß, my company refused to allow me to take any computing equipment with me other than a fresh out of the box cheap notebook that was physically destroyed when I got home (just to present my courseware on) and a ‘new’ refurbished iPhone that also was decommissioned after.

At no time was I allowed to access any corporate resources, even webmail.

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What were the presentations like? Where they in English? Did you find a large disparity between the western world and the east when it comes to cyber security?

I saw some clips from that recent exploit development competition they held in Chengdu and iirc the Chinese blew us away when it came to escaping containers, chaining exploits and escalating in ios, windows and chrome.

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An AMA on this would be cool.

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Standard practice to only send burner electronics there in my experience.

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Yeah I mean duh. It's been like this forever

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It's a Tar Baby. Anything you bring in China stays there, and YOU ARE ON THE HOOK to explain why it was there in the first place. Retroactively.

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Yeah that's the other side to this coin. Do not bring your sensitive data INTO China, nor access it locally there.

We have users remote into clean-rooms hosted in North America to access data if they have to be there. Even that's dicey because getting out through the Great Firewall can be iffy.

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The thing is, don't leave your stuff unattended while traveling regardless where you go.

Someone with a big bag tried to get into my room even at Sans London while i was in the room (card in holder = no entry). I always carry my laptop with me and use cryptography for sensitive stuff. Or cloud. The guy was more likely a burglar with a cloned hotel cardkey than a gov agent.

In China, westerners who live there have been visited by obvious gov people who wanted them to install Green Dam (Internet censorship and monitoring software) on their laptops. Doesn't work that well on Linux btw.

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Why is the world going to this bullshit ??

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